Showing posts with label same sex marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label same sex marriage. Show all posts

Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Two Motions to be heard Thurs. Dec. 8th, 2011 by 9th Circuit

Found this article at SDGLN.com thought you might want to read it, so you know what's going on with the court hearings on Thursday, Dec. 8th. The 9th Circuit are not making their decision as of yet as to whether or not they are going to solidify the ruling of then District Judge Vaughn Walker. This is however one of the final steps towards marriage equality. Since there are remote viewing of a delayed broadcasting of the trial you can follow the trial via Twitter by following @AFER. I have followed @AFER for every hearing I wasn't able to view be it that I was working or what have you, and I can honestly say, they will update (almost literally) sentence for sentence, word for word, step by step of the trial.

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- Jon Scott

SAN FRANCISCO – The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals this week will hear two major motions in the Proposition 8 case, setting the stage for rulings by year’s end or in early in 2012.

A three-judge panel will hear oral arguments on:

-- Motion by the pro-marriage supporters to release the Prop 8 trial video

-- Motion by the anti-marriage proponents’ to throw out the case because the judge did not disclose that he is gay

The hearing, which starts at 2:30 pm PT Thursday, Dec. 8, is expected to last two hours.

On Aug. 4, 2010, federal district Judge Vaughn Walker ruled that Proposition 8 was unconstitutional, but anti-marriage foes appealed that decision to the Ninth Circuit. Since then, anti-gay groups have tied up in court Judge Walker’s historical decision ruling that Prop 8 was unconstitutional on several legal principles.

The high-powered legal team led by Ted Olson and David Boies, representing the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER), successfully argued why Prop 8 was unconstitutional and discriminatory toward gay and lesbian couples who wish to marry.

“Our case for marriage equality is back on the fast track and we are poised for dramatic progress in the coming months,” said Adam Umhoefer, AFER’s senior project director.

“We have one final step before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirms the historic Federal District Court decision which found marriage discrimination unconstitutional,” he said. “I am confident that the Ninth Circuit will swiftly confirm the personal freedom of every American.”

AFER offered a preview of what will happen on Thursday.

Release the tapes

In the first hour, Olson will argue that the public has a First Amendment right to see video footage of the historic Prop 8 trial. The District Court has already ruled that the American people have a vested interest in transparent court proceedings, but the Prop 8 proponents appealed that decision. They are trying to keep the video under lock and key because they don’t want anyone to know that they failed in court, where reason and facts matter.

Also arguing that the tapes should be released is a media coalition comprised of The Associated Press, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, FOX News, NBC News, the Hearst Corp., Dow Jones & Co., and others.

Motion to vacate

In the second hour, Boies will address the proponents’ motion asking that our District Court victory be vacated because the judge who heard the case is gay and in a long-term relationship. The anti-marriage forces are trying everything they can to get the case thrown out because they know that reason and truth are on our side.

This tactic was universally condemned in the media and it took only a day for Chief Judge James Ware to rule against the homophobic motion. We are confident that the appeals court will affirm that being gay has no bearing on a judge’s impartiality, just as courts have historically done with cases involving race, gender and religion.

Hearing to be broadcast

The court has allowed a delayed broadcast of the hearing and has set up remote viewing locations in Pasadena, Calif.; Portland, Ore., and Seattle. You can also follow AFER's live updates from the courthouse on Twitter.

Monday, December 5, 2011

Sanctity of Marriage: Same-Sex Couples vs. Heterosexual Divorce Rates

So the main argument behind the anti-gay marriage is that LGBT's will ruin the sanctity of marriage... but since its all about the definition of the word, lets look at "sanctity" for a moment.

sanc·ti·ty

[sangk-ti-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1.
holiness, saintliness, or godliness.
2.
sacred or hallowed character: the inviolable sanctity of thetemple.
3.
a sacred thing.

Back to what I was saying, lets look at the facts of marriage. Keep in mind that these facts are of present time and are during the same time that gay marriage is not legal.

  • About 50% of first time marriages end in divorce
  • 65% of second time marriages end in divorce
  • Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted 72 days
  • Larry King has been married 8 times
  • 3.6-5% of marriages end every year
  • Money problems are cited to be the #1 cause of divorce ("for richer or poorer" that's a vow to God) yet impossible to calculate because of the vague #1 reason, irreconcilable differences.
  • Nevada offers a quickie divorce
  • The crime laden District of Columbia has the lowest rate of divorce
  • 11% of African American's have been through divorce
  • 10% of White non-Hispanic have been through divorce
  • 8% Hispanic/Latino have been through divorce
  • Two out of three marriage's ending in divorce have minor children, that's right 66.67%
  • Illegal immigrants marry for Visa's while providing their "spouse" with a monthly allowance as little as $1,000
  • An adult may marry a minor (child) by the consent of a parent in some states.
If you notice there are no divorce rates for same-sex marriages listed above. This is because it hasn't been legal enough to establish same-sex marriage to same-sex divorce statistics. However, gay couples, having had to struggle to be married, exhibit a stronger sense of commitment to each other and to marriage.

What I'm saying here is this, keeping gays from marrying is not going to save the sanctity of marriage because their is no sanctity for marriage anymore. The LGBT community actually hold marriage in higher lights because we have had to fight for it. We haven't been able to marry, divorce, remarry, and trash its reputation with a divorce rate that is climbing above and beyond half our population here in the United States. Yet those able to take advantage of it, heterosexual couples, do. Not all but again more than half.

So if anti-gay marriage groups are trying to protect the sanctity of marriage why are they not stopping all heterosexuals from divorce? Or how about outlawing cheating on a spouse? No, the gays that are married now haven't been in the news for ruining marriage. But Larry King and the late Elizabeth Taylor (God rest her soul) were all over the news for their latest of multiple marriages and divorces.

All I'm saying is this Prop H8 is only out to do one thing and one thing only and trust it is not save the "sanctity" of marriage. It is to discriminate against homosexuals, to try and reduce their stature to that of a second class citizen. It isn't to protect families (remember 2/3 of divorces have children that are minors), it certainly isn't to reduce the rate of divorce either. Yet here we are battling to have the same rights as everyone else? I thought we were all to be granted the same rights and liberties as the next, is that not what our founding fathers wanted?